Except for the fact that several people were interviewed on 9/11... why? Because they saw it.

Nice little conspiracy theory though. Should keep the Aluminum Foil Hat Society's tongues wagging for years. lol

Except for the fact that several people were interviewed on 9/11... why? Because they saw it. - ParaTed2k

I'm only addressing Draginol's contention of my mentioning President Bush claimed he saw the first attack live on a tv three months later to a crowd of five-thousand plus.

The President did give that as his account of the moment, he did mean it and it made me wonder how befuddled he must be. I don't mention that to leap to the idea of a mass government conspiracy but thanks for the broad brush.

Let's see how far the gullibility goes:

So you are saying that you take Bush's statement to be that there was a live CNN camera on the WTC in a classroom before it was hit? That, you know, CNN or FOXNews or whatever just has a 24/7 camera sitting there and it was on.

Or possibly, just possibly, the plane had already hit and they were playing the incident. In other words, the President did not claim and did not see the first plane hit LIVE.  Do you understand the difference?

I got up that morning, came downstairs and saw the WTC and footage of something hitting the tower and thinking "Holy crap, terrible accident".  However, I did not see that live. I saw that after the fact.  Then 20 minutes or so later, a second plane hit -- THAT I saw live because the cameras were already on the WTC because of the fires.

The small brained conspiracy theorisits, however, have morphed Bush's quote to imply that he somehow (for his own evil satisfaction one must assume) had live cameras on the WTC BEFORE it was hit and then watched the FIRST plane hit in real time.  Which is not what happened and is ludicrious to even hear someone try to argue.

Draginol, I have not attempted to change the quote, I have not leaped to any of the conclusions you're peddling and my response to Zoomba was appropriate and accurate.

Zoomba did not see a plane hit the Pentagon and President Bush did not see the first plane hit the first tower when he said he did - despite what they both said. That's it.

"I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower -- the TV was obviously on. " - The President

He was in the classroom - not outside, there was no phantom television and it was not 'on'. The President has recounted this story on no less then two seperate occasions. He is obviously befuddled or repeating some incorrect story that is certainly unique in it's disparity from the public record vs. other Bush world gaffes.

Listen very carefully because this is the last time I'm going to try to explain it to you:

He did not imply that he saw the airplane hit the building in real time.  He was outside the classroom and CNN (or whatever) was ontelling about the airplane that hit the WTC playing footage that someone got of a plane hitting it.

It is the same thing that millions of Americans, myself included, saw. You are apparently taking his words to imply that he literally saw the plane - LIVE - hitting the WTC as if CNN had "WTC cam" or something on 24/7.

When the SECOND one hit, that's when everyone realized we were really under attack. The first one made people think it was a tragic accident. The second one is where we realized we were under attack and when Bush, now in the class room reading a book to children was informed of what happened and just sat there stunned.

Defence, if you want to believe that 9/11 was some Government conspiracy, that is fine. I will just know that I need not take your opinion seriously on anything in the future. Only kooks -- dumb kooks -- think that 9/11 was some government conspiracy.  You're free to think that's not the case and I'm free to think what I want as well.

You can spin it any way you want, Draginol, but I haven't provided as much wacky speculation as you have concerning the President's quotes or 9/11.

Take the credit when the credit is due, Draginol - it's all yours.

This just goes to prove that conspiracy theorists will believe whatever they want to believe. I second what Brad said.

Deference - man you are fucking obtuse.

Spit from the sidelines, Bunnahabhain. I'm sure you have plenty of class left to lose.

Hey Bunnahabhain both Defereance and Draginol conversation explained a lots of fact, and plss make sure do not hurt som body with swear words.

Bunnahabhain is simply dittohead trolling - he's not going to hurt any one regardless of how many curse words he uses.

Bunnahabhain should have read my posts #7, #9, #12, #15, and #17 before labeling me via his knee-jerk judgement. He's illustrative of those who quickly dismiss information on personal bias instead of filtering it as objectively as possible.

although i personally don't believe the administration did much pre 9/11, like when they ignored the aug 6 PDB, "Bin Laden Determined to Strike Within US" and the other things like their entire foreign policy agendas based around missile defense and putting terrorism on the back burner...there is no way it was missles. like most conspiracy theories, it gives way too much credit and discounts the fact that too many people with no agenda would have to be on the payroll to kill thousands of americans (like the mechanics who inspect the planes daily in seperate airports) and some people think that if this were the case that someone with 1st hand knowledge of the working plan would have come forward. the way 9/11 has affected the psyche of this country i find it 100% impossible that someone's concionce wouldn't have gotten to em.

Deference = Obtuse. Some people just don't have sufficient reading comprehension to have complex debates...or even simple ones it appears.

Would you care to enlighten me, Emily, or is this simply another drive-by trolling?

Thank you, please drive through.

Well I can't speak for her but it's clear that you can't seem to grasp what I was getting at.

President Bush's quote was pretty straight forward. You just seem to be reading a lot more into it.

But like I said earlier, I don't really care if you or someone else thinks Bush or Martians or whatever were responsible for 9/11, it just means I can essentially discount your opinions on world events.

Well I can't speak for her but it's clear that you can't seem to grasp what I was getting at. - Draginol

More like; I'm not buying what you're selling, Draginol (unless it's software *grin*) or as I stated earlier - peddling.

President Bush's quote was pretty straight forward. You just seem to be reading a lot more into it. - Draginol

I haven't, but you have provided many rationalizations in an attempt to guide other readers through the quote to clarify what must have actually been said or meant. That's incredibly telling behaviour and extremely transparent and desperate.

I don't really care if you or someone else thinks Bush or Martians or whatever were responsible for 9/11
- Draginol

Well, I can point you to my previous posts wherein I blatantly state I don't use the quote to do anything more then prove Zoomba incorrect in his statement, but I know you can read and are ignoring posts #7, #9, #12, #15, and #17.

What can I say?

You've attempted to lump me in with all sort of theories you've provided me but I said long ago:

The President did give that as his account of the moment, he did mean it and it made me wonder how befuddled he must be. I don't mention that to leap to the idea of a mass government conspiracy but thanks for the broad brush. - Me, POST 17

...and I'm obtuse?

Maybe we're talking past each other, but the words are on the screen and the record is present. Somebody is doing some reaching and that is a hallmark of any conspiracy theorist.